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Rendlesham forest incident that doesn't

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involve aliens at all it was completely

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silent it comes right over our heads

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it's someone toxic flying saucer really

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standing in the clearing he turned over

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to my father and held his hand and he

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hello and welcome to the show I'm Martyn

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Willis your host were coming at you live

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on the Dark Matter radio network we have

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a great show for you today in a few

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minutes we have our astronomy clip

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coming up with Andy Fleming UFO news

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with the one the only John Tobin and our

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guest for the show today is Curt Collins

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Curt was on the past show with an

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interview with Colby Lantern a Landrum

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cash Landrum case but you know I wanted

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to get him back he's an interesting guy

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smart and and he's real balanced so he's

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going to be on tonight his website is

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blue blurry not berry blue blurry lines

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dot blog spot.com for those of you who

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have been emailing me I do apologize

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them in the middle of a project and I'll

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get back to you when I can I do have to

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say though some emails get to be that

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you might write me out there are like

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four or five pages long and I got to

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tell you I can't read those I get all ad

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deed out my ad D has separation anxiety

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and I can't read them so if you want me

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to respond just write maybe a single

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paragraph or two and I will respond to

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you so hey John how you doing I'm

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excellent Martin how are you do you get

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those long emails where you just can't

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read them I mean I don't get any emails

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like the emails you know spam that's

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about it you know yeah yeah I know I

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wake up every morning to a slew of spam

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that I just like delete delete delete

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delete every day yeah can't cut it up

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and put it on the sandwich I don't want

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any spam you know what I mean yeah I

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don't like spam

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so how's everything going things are

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going well you know it's been a busy

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well again I'm glad to have you here

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with the news and let's see let's so

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let's take a listen to we have Andy

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Fleming and you know that it always

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it always comes up that skeptics say

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that you just plain can't get here from

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there and that's why we are not seeing

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any you know UFOs and UFOs can't get

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here because it's physically impossible

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so here's Andy Fleming right now for

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this week's astronomy bit you can't get

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from that so here is a recurrent claim

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often made by debunkers of the alien

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visitation hypothesis but why not

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there's nothing in the laws of physics

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to prevent it although interstellar

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distances are truly vast for example the

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nearest star the red dwarf Proxima

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nine trillion kilometers away

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astronomers use light-years to measure

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such vast distances it's the distance

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light traveling at three hundred

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thousand kilometers per second travels

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take over four years to reach Proxima

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current technology these would provide

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velocities close to that of light or

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spacecraft traveling at such speed the

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all in the spacecraft's realm of

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eight and a half years would have passed

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process it's counterintuitive oh no and

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electrodynamics of moving bodies his

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theory of special relativity it is the

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speed of light that see universal

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constant and not time as Isaac Newton

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that of light cosmic inflation theory

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interstellar travel via the use of star

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trek-like warp drives space town would

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massive amounts of exotic matter and

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energy would be required and then of

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universe sella remnants created by

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collapse massive stars that have

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detonated us supernovae put the material

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entering a black hole exits in another

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area of our space-time in what is

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commonly called a wormhole theoretical

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work by physics hours Illustrated that

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these advanced propulsion systems for

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interstellar travel are indeed possible

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and highlights the debunkers claims a

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speculation at best they mean that we

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can't get from here to there for a

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paradigm shifting breakthrough we need

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new theories and above all imaginative

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scientists freed from the shackles of

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prevailing paradigms and conventional

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self reinforcing prejudices we maybe

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just for centuries down the road of the

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scientific enterprise however in an

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immensely old and vast universe I

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civilizations that are significantly

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otherwise is a regression to pre

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who knows some of those civilizations

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the news I think we're gonna kind of

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science magazines I think it's discovery

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science or something like that but let's

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first thought the first story tonight

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actually has to do with the Big Bang a

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smoking gun possibly found Discovery

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News as you mentioned reports for the

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first time scientists have found direct

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evidence of the expansion of the

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it's a previously theoretical event that

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took place a fraction of a second after

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the Big Bang explosion nearly 14 billion

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the clue is encoded in the primal

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primordial cosmic microwave background

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or radiation that continued to spread

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through space to this day this has to do

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with the gravitational waves and all

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kinds of recent scientific theories now

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you can connect to this article Martin

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of course as well as all of our other

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news stories and our show notes at

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podcast UFO calm yes I read that article

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and it it gets really really into it um

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you know weird you just touched on like

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the light surface of it but you know it

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seems like the more and more they look

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the more and more they find and and it

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could be interesting you know I'm not

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100% sold on the big bang no matter how

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much evidence they have it's just it's

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just so hard to understand what was

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there before or if it's a cycle that

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keeps happening you know maybe all the

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black holes swallow everything up and it

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goes down to nothing again this is maybe

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this has happened like over and over

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again but how did it ever start you know

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it's so like it's just too intense to

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think about all the whole thing it's

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very intense and maybe it's the land

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I don't know that's what's happening all

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right what else is going on we've got

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possibly our solar system out there

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littered with littered with alien

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there's some great stuff out there this

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week to pioneer probes a pair of

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voyagers and the new horizon craft now

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speeding towards Pluto if the aliens

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motivations may be the same as ours

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if we found an earth-like world nearby

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there would be an inevitable desire to

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send unmanned aircraft to see what kinds

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of creatures are living there looking

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for alien calling cards in the solar

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system is not a new idea by any stretch

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of the imagination it's been popularized

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in numerous science fiction stories

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movies TV shows etc etc so it's an

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interesting theory it is but you know it

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just begs to ask the question what well

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maybe we are being visited by probes

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maybe that's what some of the UFOs are

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you know but they'll never think that

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way they just said well there's no

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evidence out there so but you know maybe

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some of the UFOs that we're seeing or

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all these people are seeing our

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probes that are exploring and observing

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curious and I think there's something to

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that for sure way too coincidental that

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you know thousands and thousands of UFO

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sightings and none of them could

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possibly be visiting us I think that's

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or other words for that matter you know

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so what else is happening well you know

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this week we want to say I wish rest in

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peace to dr. Roger Leir past guest dr.

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Roger Elia passed away unfortunately on

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he was adored devoted ufologist and he

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really brought the alleged alien

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implants to the forefront through

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surgically removing them and also

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running tests to explore what they were

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so we just want to best we just want to

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wish you know rest in peace - dr. Leir

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and all of his work very fondly thinking

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of him this week yeah and his family and

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we have in our show notes his website

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and there's a little place there if you

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wanted to make a donation in memory of

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him

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it's right on his website there and you

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know he was a real nice gentleman I

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really enjoyed speaking to him and he

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seemed like you know there was no games

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I mean you know he also talked about the

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turkey UFO incident which was a major

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UFO sighting seen by lots and lots of

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people and a real nice guy and he will

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sorely be missed

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absolutely and it's such a shame when

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anyone passes but when someone has done

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so much for this field for your apology

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it's just a really mode you know in the

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next story you know not that this next

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story is certainly not uplifting anyway

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but it's certainly mysteries when we

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talked about you and I last week a

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little bit and now it's kind of come out

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in the UFO news here

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the monthly Malaysian flight 370

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possibly an alien abduction a lot of

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other theories have been talked about

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and there's certainly tons of

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speculation that continues just this

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evening and every evening for that

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matter but our guests here on the show

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Martin in a few weeks the MUFON State

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director John venture our inventory how

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do you bench

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Ventre okay great he claims a Malaysian

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airline flight 370 the crew and

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passengers were abducted by

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extraterrestrials this story his claim

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made CNN and you can also read the full

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story through the link in our show notes

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yeah think about this well yeah I I'm

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gonna you know I'm not one who really

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enjoys confrontation but I I'm gonna

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have to talk to him about this because I

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think it I think it was rather a bizarre

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a case to make and also you know he sort

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of dragged MUFON x' name into it and

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he's in that new show and I hear it's a

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good show you know by most people but

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you know I'm not really sure what to

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think about it but I do have to talk to

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him about it you know I'd like to be

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open-minded but for that to happen I you

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know I think that's really going way

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overboard making a claim like that it's

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it isn't it's kind of an outrageous

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claim to come out without it unless you

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had some solid proof to back it up and

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at this point it doesn't seem like

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there's solid proof of anything really

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showing exactly what might have happened

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it's all speculation and you know non

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alien explanations are still speculation

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at this point I will admit though that

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for myself you know I think a lot of us

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the thought popped into our mind when

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several days went by and this thing was

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still missing but I think the reality

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that kicks into our minds kicked in and

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said you know really not likely but you

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know what we thought of it I think yes

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of course you know but you know there's

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so many other answers that will you know

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it's probably I think we will probably

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know what happened eventually it's just

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you know where it crashed you know it

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probably ditched it in the ocean it's a

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big ocean and you know there there's

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actually some talk about satellite

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images of possibly seeing some type of

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debris or something like that so I think

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within you know within a few weeks we'll

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probably know but it sure is a mystery

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that's something like that happening I'm

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sure we'll definitely be keeping your

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eyes on that as he develops yeah so hey

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John thanks for thanks for joining us

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today for the news yeah hey it's a

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pleasure to have you live on the news

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here pleasure to be on I enjoy your busy

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guy sorry

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alright so hey you got to sign up at the

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have our guests coming right up after

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this real quick music break and Kurt

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how you doing Kurt good good welcome to

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the show and I talked to you I really

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wanted to have you on after last time I

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thought you did a really thoughtful and

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great balanced job when you were when

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you were interviewing Colby so it's good

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to have you back yeah it was an unusual

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situation because we're both talking to

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Colby at that time but not really to

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each other that's right that's right but

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since that time we've gotten to know

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each other a little bit on the phone and

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and through emails and stuff and and why

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don't you tell the listening audience

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out there you know what it's always an

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interesting path how someone gets

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involved in this subject and what led

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you down the path of UFOs well it was

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interested from childhood and I think

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just probably had a civilians interest

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in UFOs and you know also some of the

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other neat stuff like Bigfoot and

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everything else and and drifted away

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from it but in the past few years it

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became more interested and I started

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looking into some military cases I

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thought those might provide the Oh some

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clues in my lead somewhere either some

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documents or you know who knows if

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there's any film anywhere and I came

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across the cash Landrum case and then

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that had so many elements I'd already

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become familiar with so that was that

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was a perfect match and that that's

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something I've really been able to sink

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my teeth into yeah now you live in

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somewhere in the south right that's

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right in Mississippi in the Jackson area

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uh-huh now what is the activity in your

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general general area like and do you get

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there's there there are a fair number of

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signings there was one in an area that I

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city that I just moved to last year that

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I you know I'm I don't consider myself a

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field investigator but I ended there was

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a report of a black triangle in the area

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so and supposedly it was even appearing

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in a predictable time so I chose a cold

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winter night to go out and look

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and you know I stayed out there for an

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hour and a half and if I tried again

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it's gonna be in spring weather with the

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breeze and you know high schooler so

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field work wasn't for me yeah yeah well

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I hate to say it this way but you really

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don't know what cold is that's yeah here

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in Maine let me tell you something we've

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had a winter that just won't give out

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you know it's been something else so but

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now besides a cash Landrum case are

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there other cases you've been working on

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or interested in or similar ones well

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there are now I've really almost put

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blinders on to this but it is since it

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ran through the 80s there's so many

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other things that have been involved it

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touches the Paul bennewitz case there

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were some other signings not nearly as

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well-known in in in the 80s right before

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and after that and it's some even in the

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in the Texas area there was a there was

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a sighting in I became interested in one

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called

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Carol Wayne watts in loko Texas that was

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in 1967 and that's that's regarded as a

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hoax and it has men in black in it and

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everything else but I found that one

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particularly fascinating a John keel and

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a gray Barker both kind of covered that

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in fact a Kevin Randall I think that was

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his first field investigation you know

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he interviewed Carol Wayne watts and

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it's it's pretty fantastic story because

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he saw this the cylinder shaped UFO and

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in his first encounter he only heard a

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voice I think it was maybe only a week

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or two later or he they they kind of

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they didn't abduct him but they I guess

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he felt intimidated to go on board and

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he got examined and these were these

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were um

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little gray men not not quite the greys

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as we've come to know him but yeah and

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the stories become regarded as a hoax

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but what's interesting is that his

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aliens as described are sort of an

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intermediate step between what the hills

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saw and the grazes we've come to know

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him and the fact that was a fabricated

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step is it's strange and you just have

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to wonder if if if our ideas about

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aliens are not more in our heads or our

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understanding or perception then however

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they really exist yeah sounds like the

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missing link to me hey if you're

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listening live on the Dark Matter radio

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network please jump over to podcast UFO

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comm over to the right hand side and

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jump in our chat room and it's a one two

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click and you're in so Kurt since you

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and I and Chris Lambright interviewed

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while mostly you and Chris Lambright

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interviewed Colby Landrum there was been

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a couple of developments can we talk

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about any of that

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well the the first one there were a few

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people that got in touch mostly that had

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useless information I think the one that

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attached himself to the case and I

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wonder if that hasn't happened all along

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with the I think that you know anything

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receives publicity but to concentrate on

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the the genuine developments I was able

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to continue conversation with Colby

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Landrum and it's uh it's been a regular

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I think you know he's difficult to reach

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but he was able to give me some some

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better descriptions of the UFO and in

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you know Chris Lambright that was on he

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had he had done a painting of the

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witnesses based painting of the scene

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based primarily of the lady's

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description and not so much with Colby's

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input and after giving him I had him go

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through the drawings that adorn the

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original case drawings and have him pick

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out what he thought was the closest and

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he identified a large featureless

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Diamont didn't have the blue lights that

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that have been you know we've been

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associated with it erroneously and so

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then after he identified this big

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featureless diamond I said well how

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about this painting by Chris Lambright

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and he said he said that it gave in

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chills he felt it was very close don't

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only

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thing he said if he if he could add the

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helicopters into the scene which you

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know there supposedly came in later but

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he felt it was very close so and you

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know just when we were talking to him

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and then since it's clear that his

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memory of events and even things

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afterward it's not it's not precise he

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for example he told me about when I

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think the first media exposure

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afterwards they went to Good Morning

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America flew to New York and I asked him

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about the show and what it was like and

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he really didn't remember it but he

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remembered the limousine ride and he

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remembered tugging on his ear to say

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hello to his mom during the show so you

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know there's little bits and pieces here

546
00:23:27,489 --> 00:23:24,499
and there and I think that that's true

547
00:23:29,289 --> 00:23:27,499
the the experience itself well when

548
00:23:31,779 --> 00:23:29,299
you're at 7 wasn't he 7 years old or

549
00:23:34,060 --> 00:23:31,789
something like yeah actually I'm a month

550
00:23:36,099 --> 00:23:34,070
short of his seventh birthday you know

551
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:36,109
so and you and usually when you see

552
00:23:41,229 --> 00:23:37,850
pictures of him it's from a year or two

553
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:41,239
later I mean it's it's very difficult to

554
00:23:45,519 --> 00:23:43,970
realize you know just he was just a step

555
00:23:47,409 --> 00:23:45,529
away from being a baby at the time it

556
00:23:49,210 --> 00:23:47,419
happened I mean you know when his

557
00:23:50,379 --> 00:23:49,220
grandmother was very protective of him

558
00:23:53,169 --> 00:23:50,389
now

559
00:23:55,239 --> 00:23:53,179
there was I remember you writing me and

560
00:23:58,599 --> 00:23:55,249
Peggy on the message board just

561
00:24:02,049 --> 00:23:58,609
mentioned this you wrote me at one point

562
00:24:03,460 --> 00:24:02,059
that he was absolutely livid about what

563
00:24:06,279 --> 00:24:03,470
is that Close Encounters how the

564
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:06,289
depiction of the case well that that's

565
00:24:11,739 --> 00:24:10,129
true and the now he didn't see one that

566
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:11,749
was was worse let me tell you about this

567
00:24:16,029 --> 00:24:13,369
first I think Peggy had seen this

568
00:24:18,340 --> 00:24:16,039
program it was called unsealed alien

569
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:18,350
files and it was horrible

570
00:24:24,279 --> 00:24:21,850
they had a and you know they saw a

571
00:24:27,129 --> 00:24:24,289
diamond-shaped object well they depicted

572
00:24:30,159 --> 00:24:27,139
the UFO as a flying saucer and it zaps

573
00:24:31,869 --> 00:24:30,169
Betty cash with a ray beam I mean it was

574
00:24:33,519 --> 00:24:31,879
just so in that accurate is to be

575
00:24:35,830 --> 00:24:33,529
laughable if it wasn't a tragic

576
00:24:37,269 --> 00:24:35,840
situation you know so that was a done

577
00:24:41,409 --> 00:24:37,279
was really terrible but on this new show

578
00:24:43,180 --> 00:24:41,419
Close Encounters which debuted in Canada

579
00:24:46,090 --> 00:24:43,190
it's now just being shown in the United

580
00:24:48,940 --> 00:24:46,100
States they're on in their depiction of

581
00:24:50,889 --> 00:24:48,950
it there were a number of Zhai get the

582
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:50,899
county wrong they say that they saw that

583
00:24:56,010 --> 00:24:54,010
UFO for an hour before they encountered

584
00:24:59,220 --> 00:24:56,020
before the encounter did you know we

585
00:25:02,400 --> 00:24:59,230
stopped the car I mean and worst of all

586
00:25:06,450 --> 00:25:02,410
they depicted the UFO is shooting

587
00:25:08,340 --> 00:25:06,460
lightning bolts somehow and you know

588
00:25:10,350 --> 00:25:08,350
that was never in any description that I

589
00:25:13,380 --> 00:25:10,360
think one researcher who was trying to

590
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:13,390
analyze the propulsion of the UFO who

591
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:15,250
speculated that it was some sort of

592
00:25:19,950 --> 00:25:18,490
plasma but the lining that like I can

593
00:25:21,870 --> 00:25:19,960
tell you how that happened there there

594
00:25:24,390 --> 00:25:21,880
were two researchers that they

595
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:24,400
interviewed for the show and they both

596
00:25:28,590 --> 00:25:26,770
made a couple of minor mistakes well I

597
00:25:32,220 --> 00:25:28,600
guess the lightning I would consider a

598
00:25:34,770 --> 00:25:32,230
major mistake and they did in fact check

599
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:34,780
and you know these programs this one is

600
00:25:37,770 --> 00:25:36,490
this one is called Close Encounters and

601
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:37,780
they're really that's the only part of

602
00:25:40,980 --> 00:25:39,490
the show that they depict is the

603
00:25:43,140 --> 00:25:40,990
encounter itself they don't follow

604
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:43,150
follow up on the investigation or the

605
00:25:47,850 --> 00:25:44,890
lives and the people afterward it's you

606
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:47,860
know it's only a half-hour show and they

607
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:50,770
do 15 minutes per case well less with

608
00:25:54,930 --> 00:25:53,530
commercials so um you know they just get

609
00:25:58,110 --> 00:25:54,940
in there they do a dramatic recreation

610
00:25:59,820 --> 00:25:58,120
and yeah but there were several points

611
00:26:01,380 --> 00:25:59,830
of in actress you know I think the show

612
00:26:03,419 --> 00:26:01,390
I mean it's good uh good production

613
00:26:05,940 --> 00:26:03,429
values they've chose some reasonable

614
00:26:08,060 --> 00:26:05,950
cases and stay away from the sensational

615
00:26:12,750 --> 00:26:08,070
alien abductions and things like that

616
00:26:15,750 --> 00:26:12,760
but it could be better still yeah yep

617
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:15,760
well you know like you say Colby is hard

618
00:26:21,650 --> 00:26:19,330
to you know keep in touch with and I do

619
00:26:24,539 --> 00:26:21,660
remember when we were interviewing him

620
00:26:25,890 --> 00:26:24,549
someone actually I believe I could have

621
00:26:27,150 --> 00:26:25,900
been on the message board or it could

622
00:26:31,940 --> 00:26:27,160
have been a call and I can't remember

623
00:26:36,150 --> 00:26:31,950
but prompted him to do a FOIA request

624
00:26:38,220 --> 00:26:36,160
Freedom of Information Act request on

625
00:26:38,490 --> 00:26:38,230
papers regarding this has anything like

626
00:26:47,190 --> 00:26:38,500
that

627
00:26:50,220 --> 00:26:47,200
Colby but he had I think I'm not sure if

628
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:50,230
he had if he had moved for a for a new

629
00:26:56,070 --> 00:26:53,530
job outside his home when we recorded

630
00:26:57,930 --> 00:26:56,080
our show but no he he had when I talked

631
00:27:00,510 --> 00:26:57,940
to him last and and really haven't had

632
00:27:02,789 --> 00:27:00,520
contact since so I think he's been been

633
00:27:05,850 --> 00:27:02,799
kind of busy with that but I certainly

634
00:27:07,410 --> 00:27:05,860
have intended to there I thought that

635
00:27:10,980 --> 00:27:07,420
the chance of getting him

636
00:27:12,780 --> 00:27:10,990
to do a a privacy waiver might yield

637
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:12,790
better results because sometimes they

638
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:17,050
they're the government's reluctant to

639
00:27:21,270 --> 00:27:19,690
releasing information on individuals you

640
00:27:24,260 --> 00:27:21,280
know they things can be violation their

641
00:27:27,750 --> 00:27:24,270
privacy so him signing that would would

642
00:27:28,980 --> 00:27:27,760
relieve them in that worry uh-huh you

643
00:27:30,450 --> 00:27:28,990
know I thought it was interesting when

644
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:30,460
he was on the show you know I don't want

645
00:27:36,330 --> 00:27:33,250
to just rehash the whole show on this

646
00:27:38,370 --> 00:27:36,340
show but one of the things I thought was

647
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:38,380
kind of interesting is what he thought

648
00:27:44,580 --> 00:27:41,290
the craft was you know most likely

649
00:27:46,740 --> 00:27:44,590
government or military and you know that

650
00:27:51,690 --> 00:27:46,750
almost makes the most sense when you

651
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:51,700
really look at all the options it's it's

652
00:27:57,870 --> 00:27:55,450
very tempting scenario and what we're

653
00:28:01,740 --> 00:27:57,880
missing is evident but an evidence of

654
00:28:02,940 --> 00:28:01,750
anything else also the one good point

655
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:02,950
that was made on the close encounter

656
00:28:12,270 --> 00:28:05,410
show is it there's no classified vehicle

657
00:28:14,610 --> 00:28:12,280
that resembles that it's um any that day

658
00:28:16,980 --> 00:28:14,620
it's really puzzling obesity you know if

659
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:16,990
it was a classified device it would have

660
00:28:22,590 --> 00:28:18,250
to have a history of development

661
00:28:25,470 --> 00:28:22,600
probably a several years usually there

662
00:28:27,180 --> 00:28:25,480
there are prototypes stages you know

663
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:27,190
several prototypes before something's

664
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:30,970
built so it's it could be but the

665
00:28:36,060 --> 00:28:34,210
secrecy required is extraordinary

666
00:28:38,430 --> 00:28:36,070
well you know like Peggy just mentioned

667
00:28:40,410 --> 00:28:38,440
it on the message board she doesn't

668
00:28:43,050 --> 00:28:40,420
think that it was military but she

669
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:43,060
thinks the military was involved and you

670
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:44,650
know that's quite a scenario right there

671
00:28:51,660 --> 00:28:46,810
and you know perhaps that makes kind of

672
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:51,670
sense in a way oh well that's um that

673
00:28:57,210 --> 00:28:53,770
touches on something I'd I just recently

674
00:29:00,080 --> 00:28:57,220
gave a Skype talk to the the new phone

675
00:29:04,110 --> 00:29:00,090
Alabama group and I got in touch with a

676
00:29:07,260 --> 00:29:04,120
member of the the unit that's task force

677
00:29:09,510 --> 00:29:07,270
160 the the night stalkers the

678
00:29:11,610 --> 00:29:09,520
helicopter group that grew out of them

679
00:29:14,310 --> 00:29:11,620
chief suspect for the helicopters in the

680
00:29:17,430 --> 00:29:14,320
cache plan um case and there's a there's

681
00:29:19,860 --> 00:29:17,440
a pilot there he joined in 1984 but he's

682
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:19,870
given me a lot of useful information on

683
00:29:31,030 --> 00:29:20,450
the

684
00:29:32,410 --> 00:29:31,040
UFO investigator field investigator from

685
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:32,420
MUFON so you know I think he's

686
00:29:37,060 --> 00:29:33,890
sympathetic and I don't believe he's

687
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:37,070
being deceptive in any way and one of

688
00:29:41,950 --> 00:29:39,890
the things that he said is he just

689
00:29:43,660 --> 00:29:41,960
doesn't believe with the the distance

690
00:29:46,630 --> 00:29:43,670
involved that it could have been

691
00:29:48,580 --> 00:29:46,640
anything but well it couldn't be a

692
00:29:50,890 --> 00:29:48,590
response there's there's no way that the

693
00:29:53,260 --> 00:29:50,900
helicopters had the fuel to get from a

694
00:29:55,150 --> 00:29:53,270
base to the scene he thinks that for

695
00:29:59,770 --> 00:29:55,160
whatever reason they had to be flying

696
00:30:02,170 --> 00:29:59,780
along with it yeah yeah and I believe

697
00:30:05,380 --> 00:30:02,180
you you threw me an email about this

698
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:05,390
this pilot and we have a guest

699
00:30:10,210 --> 00:30:07,970
skinny Bob is asking are you familiar

700
00:30:11,980 --> 00:30:10,220
with the black deltas which was supposed

701
00:30:14,410 --> 00:30:11,990
to be the huge black op military craft

702
00:30:18,730 --> 00:30:14,420
that are lighter than an aircraft like

703
00:30:22,870 --> 00:30:18,740
Zeppelin's I've heard of that but have

704
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:22,880
no no specific knowledge the name though

705
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:25,130
it was interesting because Paul

706
00:30:30,250 --> 00:30:28,010
bennewitz had a drawing of what he

707
00:30:31,780 --> 00:30:30,260
called a black Delta ship and he thought

708
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:31,790
it was atomic power and he made

709
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:33,770
connections between that and the cache

710
00:30:38,980 --> 00:30:35,810
line of the case but you know that's all

711
00:30:42,580 --> 00:30:38,990
speculation right but it's you know it's

712
00:30:43,990 --> 00:30:42,590
interesting but yeah if it dumb the the

713
00:30:47,550 --> 00:30:44,000
lighter-than-air aspect is interesting

714
00:30:52,290 --> 00:30:47,560
because the the UFO in this case did

715
00:30:54,490 --> 00:30:52,300
seem to be almost balloon-like or

716
00:30:56,470 --> 00:30:54,500
anti-gravity and you know we don't know

717
00:30:57,940 --> 00:30:56,480
what the the fire burst was but that

718
00:31:00,190 --> 00:30:57,950
didn't seem to be what was propelling

719
00:31:06,310 --> 00:31:00,200
and it might have been for something to

720
00:31:09,670 --> 00:31:06,320
stabilize it or a leak of some kind now

721
00:31:11,230 --> 00:31:09,680
about ufology in general you're not

722
00:31:14,380 --> 00:31:11,240
really pardon me

723
00:31:16,660 --> 00:31:14,390
that much involved in it and but but you

724
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:16,670
are mostly in this case is that what I'm

725
00:31:23,890 --> 00:31:20,810
hearing from you I'm gonna I've gotten a

726
00:31:26,020 --> 00:31:23,900
broader interest but a specific focus I

727
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:26,030
guess that makes sense to you yeah okay

728
00:31:30,490 --> 00:31:27,650
well let's talk about the broader

729
00:31:33,850 --> 00:31:30,500
interests are there other aspects of the

730
00:31:34,730 --> 00:31:33,860
field that that you like too you know

731
00:31:37,580 --> 00:31:34,740
for instance

732
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:37,590
do you ever look into well let's say the

733
00:31:42,170 --> 00:31:39,090
abductions or do you have a look into

734
00:31:43,940 --> 00:31:42,180
different types of crafts or or things

735
00:31:52,370 --> 00:31:43,950
like that or any other historic cases

736
00:31:54,710 --> 00:31:52,380
come to mind to you well yes I do to my

737
00:31:57,710 --> 00:31:54,720
initial interest which was back during

738
00:32:01,490 --> 00:31:57,720
the old saison ICAP days I do kind of

739
00:32:04,190 --> 00:32:01,500
favor the cases from generally from the

740
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:04,200
60s back to the Kenneth Arnold signing

741
00:32:09,380 --> 00:32:06,570
and I've probably read more about those

742
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:09,390
and I have more modern accounts and so

743
00:32:15,770 --> 00:32:11,490
because then I'm less familiar with the

744
00:32:17,150 --> 00:32:15,780
abduction scenarios except for oh the

745
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:17,160
Parker Hickson

746
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:18,810
which happened to Mississippi so I

747
00:32:23,290 --> 00:32:20,370
always had a particular interest in that

748
00:32:28,390 --> 00:32:23,300
and of course the hill abductions but

749
00:32:34,910 --> 00:32:28,400
that's that's probably the my least

750
00:32:37,070 --> 00:32:34,920
familiar territory and the the the some

751
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:37,080
of the early cases like level in Texas

752
00:32:42,350 --> 00:32:40,530
some of these involve objects which were

753
00:32:48,470 --> 00:32:42,360
remotely similar to the cash line of

754
00:32:51,310 --> 00:32:48,480
case at a large egg-shaped you know it

755
00:32:54,710 --> 00:32:51,320
was either brilliant or are flaming and

756
00:32:56,390 --> 00:32:54,720
in those cases and there was also one in

757
00:33:00,050 --> 00:32:56,400
Loch Raven and I forget what state

758
00:33:05,290 --> 00:33:00,060
that's in that they affected automobile

759
00:33:08,420 --> 00:33:05,300
engines and and the people felt heat and

760
00:33:11,180 --> 00:33:08,430
thought they had a sunburn like symptoms

761
00:33:13,250 --> 00:33:11,190
so you know you have to wonder you know

762
00:33:15,170 --> 00:33:13,260
with the visual similarity and the

763
00:33:17,180 --> 00:33:15,180
similarity of symptoms if those couldn't

764
00:33:20,180 --> 00:33:17,190
be related and I mean and you know

765
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:20,190
there's of course you like to look the

766
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:23,850
frustrating thing in all UFOs cases is

767
00:33:27,110 --> 00:33:25,890
that coming up with that with adequate

768
00:33:29,300 --> 00:33:27,120
proof I mean there's a different

769
00:33:32,870 --> 00:33:29,310
experience you get credible witnesses

770
00:33:34,430 --> 00:33:32,880
but you know when you find proof or our

771
00:33:36,470 --> 00:33:34,440
evidence left behind you can't always

772
00:33:39,050 --> 00:33:36,480
piece it together sorry

773
00:33:40,430 --> 00:33:39,060
yeah well you know you think of like you

774
00:33:43,430 --> 00:33:40,440
just mentioned egg shaped like the

775
00:33:45,710 --> 00:33:43,440
Socorro incident is that one of the ones

776
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:45,720
you're so there was a big flame that

777
00:33:49,759 --> 00:33:47,610
came out of that thing and he

778
00:33:52,279 --> 00:33:49,769
but not the but not the object itself

779
00:33:56,090 --> 00:33:52,289
and and that's an interesting - one -

780
00:33:58,610 --> 00:33:56,100
because well for example that the ones

781
00:34:03,680 --> 00:33:58,620
in Texas I just mentioned those did not

782
00:34:07,340 --> 00:34:03,690
have there were basically a far like

783
00:34:09,740 --> 00:34:07,350
shape but Socorro was a definite

784
00:34:12,290 --> 00:34:09,750
structure you know it had legs and

785
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:12,300
apparently a hatch and and there was a

786
00:34:16,579 --> 00:34:14,010
symbol on it there's no mistaking that

787
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:16,589
for a natural object I mean there's no

788
00:34:20,450 --> 00:34:18,690
confusion between those two that that's

789
00:34:23,780 --> 00:34:20,460
one case it's fascinating because it's a

790
00:34:29,750 --> 00:34:23,790
you know it's clearly an intelligently

791
00:34:31,550 --> 00:34:29,760
designed and manned craft and uh you

792
00:34:33,349 --> 00:34:31,560
know that's that's our our friend Chris

793
00:34:36,619 --> 00:34:33,359
Lambright that's a favor to his and he

794
00:34:40,639 --> 00:34:36,629
and interviewed officer Zamora and and

795
00:34:43,940 --> 00:34:40,649
uh that was I think a turning point dr.

796
00:34:47,169 --> 00:34:43,950
hynek's opinion about about UFOs that

797
00:34:50,869 --> 00:34:47,179
they couldn't all be mistakes of

798
00:34:53,809 --> 00:34:50,879
astronomical features and you know the

799
00:34:56,180 --> 00:34:53,819
the traces left behind you know some of

800
00:34:59,170 --> 00:34:56,190
some of them were ambiguous but you know

801
00:35:02,990 --> 00:34:59,180
he had a highly credible witness here

802
00:35:07,420 --> 00:35:03,000
right right and you know you talk about

803
00:35:10,670 --> 00:35:07,430
evidence and I speak with racing

804
00:35:12,470 --> 00:35:10,680
stanford who eventually i'm gonna meet

805
00:35:15,339 --> 00:35:12,480
and spend some time at his house down in

806
00:35:17,300 --> 00:35:15,349
baltimore and he was like right there

807
00:35:20,329 --> 00:35:17,310
about he was there at the same time

808
00:35:21,980 --> 00:35:20,339
Hynek was there and you know i think i

809
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:21,990
might have mentioned this in a past

810
00:35:25,940 --> 00:35:23,930
podcast but if you read his book I

811
00:35:29,540 --> 00:35:25,950
forget what it's called the flying

812
00:35:31,099 --> 00:35:29,550
saucer Sakura whatever it is he actually

813
00:35:32,930 --> 00:35:31,109
picked up a rock that had metal

814
00:35:35,599 --> 00:35:32,940
scrapings on it you know he actually had

815
00:35:38,510 --> 00:35:35,609
the closest thing to evidence because it

816
00:35:40,099 --> 00:35:38,520
was right where the pad landed of one of

817
00:35:42,950 --> 00:35:40,109
the three legs that came down on that

818
00:35:45,349 --> 00:35:42,960
thing he had that actually in his hands

819
00:35:47,569 --> 00:35:45,359
at one time and and lost it through when

820
00:35:50,359 --> 00:35:47,579
he was getting it tested so they scraped

821
00:35:52,490 --> 00:35:50,369
it all off and it was gone oh Yad um

822
00:35:54,559 --> 00:35:52,500
I'll tell you you know that's that's a

823
00:35:58,609 --> 00:35:54,569
show I would love to hear he's he has

824
00:36:00,600 --> 00:35:58,619
spanned the ages I mean I I think a lot

825
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:00,610
of times people forget about his con

826
00:36:08,130 --> 00:36:03,930
mission in the field just because he's

827
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:08,140
not so involved in current research it's

828
00:36:13,770 --> 00:36:11,290
kind of isolating himself and Jesus only

829
00:36:18,240 --> 00:36:13,780
to discuss things with the number of

830
00:36:21,090 --> 00:36:18,250
people but he must have some great

831
00:36:23,580 --> 00:36:21,100
stories yes he's a it's a brilliant man

832
00:36:24,060 --> 00:36:23,590
he actually researches dinosaurs for a

833
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:24,070
living

834
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:26,530
I've seen I've seen that his name in the

835
00:36:30,930 --> 00:36:28,810
news about that he's discovered a number

836
00:36:34,290 --> 00:36:30,940
of fossils and tracks he found tracks

837
00:36:38,250 --> 00:36:34,300
right on the Beltway in Baltimore which

838
00:36:41,250 --> 00:36:38,260
is amazing hey someone was asking on on

839
00:36:50,300 --> 00:36:41,260
you the chatroom what is your opinion on

840
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:50,310
disclosure have you thought about I have

841
00:37:00,990 --> 00:36:54,370
I'm I'm kind of I'm conflicted I'll get

842
00:37:04,140 --> 00:37:01,000
to be honest I've I've read a doctor at

843
00:37:05,580 --> 00:37:04,150
Alexander's book John Alexander an

844
00:37:09,450 --> 00:37:05,590
attendant agree with some of the things

845
00:37:11,820 --> 00:37:09,460
he said was that the government may not

846
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:11,830
actually know very much and maybe their

847
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:15,970
interest is focused on security you know

848
00:37:22,590 --> 00:37:20,530
that the Donnell Kehoe who introduced a

849
00:37:24,900 --> 00:37:22,600
lot of the world to UFOs it was his

850
00:37:26,490 --> 00:37:24,910
belief that the government didn't know

851
00:37:30,930 --> 00:37:26,500
what was going on they were hiding it

852
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:30,940
from us but I'm not convinced I'm not

853
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:34,810
convinced that they I'm not convinced

854
00:37:41,370 --> 00:37:38,290
that they they are part of a secret

855
00:37:43,950 --> 00:37:41,380
alliance with aliens or you know there's

856
00:37:46,050 --> 00:37:43,960
those things are interesting but I I

857
00:37:48,930 --> 00:37:46,060
just and also I don't think they're very

858
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:48,940
good at keeping secrets it's possible

859
00:37:54,030 --> 00:37:52,570
and I'd like to know I'd like to know

860
00:37:55,530 --> 00:37:54,040
more about their they're certainly

861
00:37:57,390 --> 00:37:55,540
things that they haven't told us because

862
00:37:59,070 --> 00:37:57,400
it relates to military secrets or they

863
00:38:01,470 --> 00:37:59,080
think it does you know they're very

864
00:38:04,140 --> 00:38:01,480
cheesy about what they what's shared

865
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:04,150
with this very protective of their

866
00:38:09,030 --> 00:38:06,370
operational policies and things whether

867
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:09,040
and there's a lot of controversy over

868
00:38:13,599 --> 00:38:12,130
what they're learning about us but yeah

869
00:38:16,870 --> 00:38:13,609
I would like to know more

870
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:16,880
I just don't think that they have the

871
00:38:24,430 --> 00:38:20,170
answers and I really think it's up to us

872
00:38:26,170 --> 00:38:24,440
researchers and to uh to do the work I

873
00:38:28,599 --> 00:38:26,180
mean he's just look typically how the

874
00:38:30,910 --> 00:38:28,609
government conducts research they the

875
00:38:33,099 --> 00:38:30,920
the outsource it they caught you know

876
00:38:36,039 --> 00:38:33,109
even dr. Hynek was contracted as an

877
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:36,049
astronomer for the Air Force so you know

878
00:38:39,130 --> 00:38:38,210
they may buy the answers from someone

879
00:38:42,099 --> 00:38:39,140
but I don't think they have it

880
00:38:44,559 --> 00:38:42,109
themselves a lot of times I think that

881
00:38:47,950 --> 00:38:44,569
you know some part of the government

882
00:38:49,809 --> 00:38:47,960
might know that UFOs exist but maybe

883
00:38:53,410 --> 00:38:49,819
they're on the same page as us that they

884
00:38:54,579 --> 00:38:53,420
don't know what they are you know I you

885
00:38:57,029 --> 00:38:54,589
know because they're certainly still

886
00:39:00,039 --> 00:38:57,039
taking reports you know very quietly and

887
00:39:01,989 --> 00:39:00,049
involved in that you know even though

888
00:39:04,329 --> 00:39:01,999
they say they're not even in NORAD you

889
00:39:05,739 --> 00:39:04,339
know I mean you hear all these things

890
00:39:08,890 --> 00:39:05,749
where these papers i think john

891
00:39:12,609 --> 00:39:08,900
greenwald has uncovered some you know

892
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:12,619
documents that they're still yes it was

893
00:39:18,729 --> 00:39:14,690
him and that they're still taking

894
00:39:21,339 --> 00:39:18,739
reports very quietly or documenting them

895
00:39:26,829 --> 00:39:21,349
well they have to there's there's always

896
00:39:29,710 --> 00:39:26,839
going to be an element of of just of a

897
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:29,720
threat from whether whether it's a

898
00:39:34,420 --> 00:39:32,930
missile or an an enemy plane and but you

899
00:39:36,729 --> 00:39:34,430
know i certainly want to know if an

900
00:39:38,950 --> 00:39:36,739
alien or a time traveler or whatever it

901
00:39:45,190 --> 00:39:38,960
could be as peeping in on us or you know

902
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:45,200
could be a threat but it's yeah it's

903
00:39:51,039 --> 00:39:48,890
it's unfortunate that that blue book

904
00:39:54,460 --> 00:39:51,049
went the way that it did I mean it was

905
00:39:56,829 --> 00:39:54,470
yeah some people say it was nothing more

906
00:40:01,210 --> 00:39:56,839
than in public relations art I don't

907
00:40:03,989 --> 00:40:01,220
know that that's true and but I wish

908
00:40:06,339 --> 00:40:03,999
that there was some some agency that to

909
00:40:07,779 --> 00:40:06,349
you know even if it was just a channel

910
00:40:10,749 --> 00:40:07,789
it into the private sector and help

911
00:40:14,319 --> 00:40:10,759
coordinate with with the with the groups

912
00:40:16,420 --> 00:40:14,329
sure I agree with that and you know you

913
00:40:19,150 --> 00:40:16,430
take a look at all the countries that

914
00:40:20,259 --> 00:40:19,160
take it seriously and unfortunately it's

915
00:40:25,089 --> 00:40:20,269
hard to do this show at eight o'clock

916
00:40:26,739 --> 00:40:25,099
and Eastern Time New York time when we

917
00:40:27,370 --> 00:40:26,749
have people like for instance I would

918
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:27,380
like to

919
00:40:32,769 --> 00:40:31,490
a clasp on back on in Sweden because you

920
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:32,779
know that's another country that takes

921
00:40:37,900 --> 00:40:35,690
things seriously there's no ridicule or

922
00:40:42,130 --> 00:40:37,910
very little ridicule about it in Brazil

923
00:40:44,380 --> 00:40:42,140
and you know on France you know all

924
00:40:46,329 --> 00:40:44,390
these countries have a little section

925
00:40:48,519 --> 00:40:46,339
that it's paying attention to this and

926
00:40:51,490 --> 00:40:48,529
you know want to know more about it

927
00:40:53,380 --> 00:40:51,500
and Jose la I really enjoyed speaking

928
00:40:55,029 --> 00:40:53,390
with him a number of times at a

929
00:40:58,150 --> 00:40:55,039
conference and actually you know

930
00:41:00,940 --> 00:40:58,160
interviewing him and how serious Brazil

931
00:41:03,370 --> 00:41:00,950
takes this whole thing and it doesn't

932
00:41:06,490 --> 00:41:03,380
have to be you know tomfoolery it can be

933
00:41:09,249 --> 00:41:06,500
studied scientifically and looked at

934
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:09,259
because it's something's going on and

935
00:41:13,539 --> 00:41:10,970
you would think that when these

936
00:41:17,769 --> 00:41:13,549
countries do take it seriously that it

937
00:41:19,569 --> 00:41:17,779
would eventually rub off and and someone

938
00:41:23,259 --> 00:41:19,579
would start talking about it here in

939
00:41:24,970 --> 00:41:23,269
this country in the government oh I did

940
00:41:27,609 --> 00:41:24,980
that reminded me of a couple things one

941
00:41:29,890 --> 00:41:27,619
is I saw that Leslie Kane is touring in

942
00:41:31,329 --> 00:41:29,900
France promoting her book and apparently

943
00:41:33,940 --> 00:41:31,339
has been very well-received they're

944
00:41:37,420 --> 00:41:33,950
saying there they're taking things

945
00:41:41,259 --> 00:41:37,430
seriously and yeah the other thing that

946
00:41:43,150 --> 00:41:41,269
reminded me of is the one of the tools

947
00:41:44,980 --> 00:41:43,160
that I'm used quite heavily in the

948
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:44,990
research that I've done it has been the

949
00:41:50,319 --> 00:41:47,450
internet and I've heard a Kevin Randle

950
00:41:53,710 --> 00:41:50,329
mentioned that that was something that

951
00:41:55,749 --> 00:41:53,720
did you know he wishes he could I guess

952
00:41:57,519 --> 00:41:55,759
kind of move it back in time so that it

953
00:42:00,069 --> 00:41:57,529
had some of those resources available

954
00:42:02,980 --> 00:42:00,079
and so often you can you can pull a

955
00:42:04,720 --> 00:42:02,990
document in it and you know from my own

956
00:42:07,870 --> 00:42:04,730
research I can telling you absolutely

957
00:42:10,299 --> 00:42:07,880
cannot find everything you want but it

958
00:42:13,059 --> 00:42:10,309
that you can the things that you can

959
00:42:15,279 --> 00:42:13,069
find quickly and then identify what else

960
00:42:18,359 --> 00:42:15,289
what are the documents you need you know

961
00:42:22,900 --> 00:42:18,369
that is such a huge savings of time and

962
00:42:24,789 --> 00:42:22,910
and besides that you're able to to

963
00:42:27,069 --> 00:42:24,799
contact other researchers to share

964
00:42:29,710 --> 00:42:27,079
information and when you were talking

965
00:42:33,130 --> 00:42:29,720
about international interests I've got

966
00:42:35,769 --> 00:42:33,140
email pen pals around the world and some

967
00:42:37,410 --> 00:42:35,779
are skeptics some are believers and it's

968
00:42:39,700 --> 00:42:37,420
just just to be able to instantly

969
00:42:40,720 --> 00:42:39,710
communicate with them well sometimes

970
00:42:43,030 --> 00:42:40,730
with help of a trainer

971
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:43,040
later but still you know that it's just

972
00:42:50,230 --> 00:42:47,090
a mazing resource and there's a I've got

973
00:42:52,770 --> 00:42:50,240
a Russian friend in several times he has

974
00:42:55,870 --> 00:42:52,780
an immense UFO library and I've had him

975
00:42:57,580 --> 00:42:55,880
scan documents you know it's it's

976
00:43:00,460 --> 00:42:57,590
strange to think that you know to find

977
00:43:01,870 --> 00:43:00,470
out on an old a pro or MUFON report that

978
00:43:05,530 --> 00:43:01,880
I have to go to Russia to get it but

979
00:43:07,750 --> 00:43:05,540
sometimes that's the fastest way about

980
00:43:11,410 --> 00:43:07,760
that yes I have I have some connections

981
00:43:13,330 --> 00:43:11,420
in Russia and you know they they they're

982
00:43:15,790 --> 00:43:13,340
sort of for the most part you know

983
00:43:19,420 --> 00:43:15,800
Russia's extremely large a huge country

984
00:43:23,260 --> 00:43:19,430
and but they they take it more or less

985
00:43:24,970 --> 00:43:23,270
serious for the most part and I don't

986
00:43:27,010 --> 00:43:24,980
know if you heard about this about the

987
00:43:29,620 --> 00:43:27,020
Ukraine that did you happen to see the

988
00:43:31,270 --> 00:43:29,630
video of the big cylinder shaped UFO

989
00:43:35,020 --> 00:43:31,280
that went over the you carrying right

990
00:43:41,110 --> 00:43:35,030
right near I can't remember how you say

991
00:43:43,930 --> 00:43:41,120
Crimea no you know what I mean no I

992
00:43:46,060 --> 00:43:43,940
haven't seen that no yeah how recent is

993
00:43:47,350 --> 00:43:46,070
that oh that was a few weeks ago that

994
00:43:50,170 --> 00:43:47,360
happened I believe okay

995
00:43:52,690 --> 00:43:50,180
yeah I'm tied to tell you I'm I'm

996
00:43:54,340 --> 00:43:52,700
finally allergic to YouTube videos I

997
00:44:01,690 --> 00:43:54,350
have to wait until I get a personal

998
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:01,700
recommendation its YouTube is

999
00:44:05,140 --> 00:44:03,890
unfortunately it's a it's a double-edged

1000
00:44:08,290 --> 00:44:05,150
sword

1001
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:08,300
there's there's what happens is all the

1002
00:44:14,350 --> 00:44:10,850
trash that's it's muddies the water of

1003
00:44:16,270 --> 00:44:14,360
the legitimate ones you know it's it's

1004
00:44:18,700 --> 00:44:16,280
too bad because there there are a lot of

1005
00:44:20,650 --> 00:44:18,710
good videos on there but there's also a

1006
00:44:22,390 --> 00:44:20,660
lot of people either trying to make a

1007
00:44:27,310 --> 00:44:22,400
name for themselves or having fun with

1008
00:44:29,770 --> 00:44:27,320
CGI or you know it's it's a shame and

1009
00:44:32,860 --> 00:44:29,780
then you know I'm just gonna plain say

1010
00:44:34,540 --> 00:44:32,870
this third phase of the Moon you want to

1011
00:44:36,820 --> 00:44:34,550
stay away from all the listeners I'm

1012
00:44:39,060 --> 00:44:36,830
just telling you that's there's a lot of

1013
00:44:43,180 --> 00:44:39,070
bogus videos that they put on that and

1014
00:44:46,180 --> 00:44:43,190
you know he consumed me if he wants but

1015
00:44:49,510 --> 00:44:46,190
I think he's just a big BS er and it's a

1016
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:49,520
big problem well I've checked that out I

1017
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:51,410
agree with you if he soon you I guess

1018
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:53,450
I'll see sitting next to you at the

1019
00:44:58,850 --> 00:44:54,570
table in court

1020
00:45:00,650 --> 00:44:58,860
I totally agree with that the the the

1021
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:00,660
one thing I was saying about them is

1022
00:45:06,230 --> 00:45:02,610
that a couple of times they've had

1023
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:06,240
people like Stanton Friedman up here on

1024
00:45:11,540 --> 00:45:08,930
their show or do a video of them and

1025
00:45:13,940 --> 00:45:11,550
that is my only exception I will

1026
00:45:16,550 --> 00:45:13,950
sometimes check and I don't know how a

1027
00:45:18,290 --> 00:45:16,560
legitimate person ever winds up getting

1028
00:45:20,750 --> 00:45:18,300
connected with them but it has happened

1029
00:45:24,050 --> 00:45:20,760
a few times and I listened to the Oh

1030
00:45:26,900 --> 00:45:24,060
what if you do watch a video even with

1031
00:45:28,430 --> 00:45:26,910
the reputable person just don't look at

1032
00:45:30,230 --> 00:45:28,440
the screen because there's gonna be some

1033
00:45:35,390 --> 00:45:30,240
blown pictures up just listen to the

1034
00:45:38,630 --> 00:45:35,400
speaker yeah yeah what are the you know

1035
00:45:42,350 --> 00:45:38,640
along these lines what do you think

1036
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:42,360
people do hoax you know what is it that

1037
00:45:46,490 --> 00:45:44,610
what is it kind of like the same type of

1038
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:46,500
people that write viruses for computers

1039
00:45:51,620 --> 00:45:49,650
do you think oh well that's you know

1040
00:45:53,720 --> 00:45:51,630
that's that's kind of a malicious thing

1041
00:45:56,690 --> 00:45:53,730
but well you know I've actually thought

1042
00:45:59,090 --> 00:45:56,700
about hoaxes there's quite a bit in fact

1043
00:46:01,870 --> 00:45:59,100
I had a friend who had committed a few

1044
00:46:05,890 --> 00:46:01,880
hoaxes when he was young and and

1045
00:46:11,330 --> 00:46:05,900
irresponsible that was does Joe Mosely

1046
00:46:12,950 --> 00:46:11,340
I've examined yeah I'm not going done a

1047
00:46:14,540 --> 00:46:12,960
formal study this but I think there's a

1048
00:46:17,180 --> 00:46:14,550
few types and the ones that used

1049
00:46:20,330 --> 00:46:17,190
compared to viruses I think some of them

1050
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:20,340
are kinda like power maniacs they they

1051
00:46:26,420 --> 00:46:23,850
enjoy start in trouble and seeing what

1052
00:46:28,310 --> 00:46:26,430
happens you know and in but I think

1053
00:46:35,270 --> 00:46:28,320
they're also egotistical and they want

1054
00:46:38,780 --> 00:46:35,280
to claim credit for it the in hoax and

1055
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:38,790
you know some other people are you know

1056
00:46:45,770 --> 00:46:42,570
do wanna draw attention to themselves I

1057
00:46:48,710 --> 00:46:45,780
mean in the butt but hoaxes in by no

1058
00:46:53,990 --> 00:46:48,720
means you need to the UFO field in fact

1059
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:54,000
I think the paranormal field the the

1060
00:46:59,450 --> 00:46:57,210
hoax in there you began way back I mean

1061
00:47:04,910 --> 00:46:59,460
you know probably before the nineteen

1062
00:47:07,310 --> 00:47:04,920
hundreds I could you know probably it

1063
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:07,320
probably from the beginning of time you

1064
00:47:10,910 --> 00:47:08,610
know really the

1065
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:10,920
there's you know the people selling

1066
00:47:17,210 --> 00:47:13,290
medicines on you know I mean on the on

1067
00:47:20,270 --> 00:47:17,220
the stumps and the soap boxes and you

1068
00:47:23,270 --> 00:47:20,280
know there's always some type of hoax in

1069
00:47:26,690 --> 00:47:23,280
going on well I'm glad you mentioned I'm

1070
00:47:29,660 --> 00:47:26,700
glad you mention that because that fraud

1071
00:47:33,530 --> 00:47:29,670
and monetary gain that that's one thing

1072
00:47:35,330 --> 00:47:33,540
but you know some other people are you

1073
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:35,340
know they're trying to make a buck off

1074
00:47:39,050 --> 00:47:37,170
it and there you could you could go

1075
00:47:40,610 --> 00:47:39,060
through what the history ufology and

1076
00:47:44,630 --> 00:47:40,620
pick out some of those one of them is

1077
00:47:48,370 --> 00:47:44,640
the famous Aztec crash Silas Newton and

1078
00:47:52,310 --> 00:47:48,380
dr. G and they they were promoting this

1079
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:52,320
the UFO crash as a way to sell these

1080
00:47:57,890 --> 00:47:55,530
fake instruments to detect all they

1081
00:48:00,950 --> 00:47:57,900
claimed to have used the magnetic

1082
00:48:03,950 --> 00:48:00,960
devices from the recovered UFO

1083
00:48:08,450 --> 00:48:03,960
technology to make all detectors

1084
00:48:11,030 --> 00:48:08,460
basically and you know they're fakes

1085
00:48:12,830 --> 00:48:11,040
like that that are cashing in there was

1086
00:48:14,660 --> 00:48:12,840
there was one guy I think it was buck

1087
00:48:17,510 --> 00:48:14,670
Nelson and he claims have gone to outer

1088
00:48:19,460 --> 00:48:17,520
space and he had a I can't remove of his

1089
00:48:21,770 --> 00:48:19,470
dong he claims his dog was from outer

1090
00:48:23,540 --> 00:48:21,780
space and going with him anyway he sold

1091
00:48:26,540 --> 00:48:23,550
clippings of his dog's hair and

1092
00:48:29,690 --> 00:48:26,550
souvenirs and you know just some

1093
00:48:31,250 --> 00:48:29,700
off-the-wall things like that um you

1094
00:48:31,850 --> 00:48:31,260
know these lines I'd like to say

1095
00:48:34,610 --> 00:48:31,860
something

1096
00:48:39,910 --> 00:48:34,620
since I already trashed your third phase

1097
00:48:42,380 --> 00:48:39,920
of the Moon you know it seems to me that

1098
00:48:44,570 --> 00:48:42,390
some sometimes I can get a little bit

1099
00:48:47,260 --> 00:48:44,580
discouraged in this field and it seems

1100
00:48:51,050 --> 00:48:47,270
to me that the crazier and more

1101
00:48:56,990 --> 00:48:51,060
outrageous someone becomes in this field

1102
00:49:01,520 --> 00:48:57,000
the more followers they have well you

1103
00:49:03,770 --> 00:49:01,530
have a good point from one thing well

1104
00:49:06,580 --> 00:49:03,780
one of my favorite UFO sightings just to

1105
00:49:09,860 --> 00:49:06,590
provide contrast was Charles beam or

1106
00:49:11,930 --> 00:49:09,870
1949 April he's uh

1107
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:11,940
he's launching weather balloons with it

1108
00:49:22,140 --> 00:49:19,920
a sphere no it wasn't really spherical

1109
00:49:24,240 --> 00:49:22,150
it was it was like a flat oval thing

1110
00:49:25,830 --> 00:49:24,250
flying across them they're looking at I

1111
00:49:27,690 --> 00:49:25,840
forget what the name of the device is

1112
00:49:30,270 --> 00:49:27,700
but basically it's a telescope to

1113
00:49:31,950 --> 00:49:30,280
observe things like weather balloons and

1114
00:49:33,510 --> 00:49:31,960
such so I mean you have a scientific

1115
00:49:36,270 --> 00:49:33,520
instrument that he's watching this

1116
00:49:38,340 --> 00:49:36,280
through and it goes it goes across the

1117
00:49:41,550 --> 00:49:38,350
sky door huge right of speed and then

1118
00:49:43,260 --> 00:49:41,560
goes upwards well the thing is this I

1119
00:49:45,930 --> 00:49:43,270
can't remember but you know we're

1120
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:45,940
talking about maybe a minute or so was

1121
00:49:51,150 --> 00:49:48,010
it's an incredible signing it's

1122
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:51,160
something unearthly but you know it's

1123
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:53,410
it's over and done and it's not

1124
00:49:59,730 --> 00:49:56,970
interesting as a story and then you get

1125
00:50:02,700 --> 00:49:59,740
something like a George Adamski and he

1126
00:50:06,900 --> 00:50:02,710
meets a spaceman and communicates with

1127
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:06,910
him telepathically and it's this long

1128
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:08,530
involved story and usually the guys

1129
00:50:13,230 --> 00:50:10,690
right there at the center of it and in a

1130
00:50:17,970 --> 00:50:13,240
lot of times he continues to have a

1131
00:50:21,180 --> 00:50:17,980
series of adventures and it's it's a

1132
00:50:24,780 --> 00:50:21,190
good story that's the difference right

1133
00:50:28,350 --> 00:50:24,790
right you know but there are people in

1134
00:50:29,790 --> 00:50:28,360
this field you know there's there's

1135
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:29,800
someone right now going through some

1136
00:50:34,860 --> 00:50:32,290
court trouble I was in big trouble and

1137
00:50:37,380 --> 00:50:34,870
you know he's got a lot of support and

1138
00:50:39,390 --> 00:50:37,390
he's blaming things of course on the

1139
00:50:41,850 --> 00:50:39,400
government and his wife is right you

1140
00:50:45,090 --> 00:50:41,860
know that is back with it

1141
00:50:46,710 --> 00:50:45,100
and then you know they just have a huge

1142
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:46,720
amount of followers and the people out

1143
00:50:50,610 --> 00:50:48,130
there that are doing the serious work

1144
00:50:53,910 --> 00:50:50,620
they're people like like Stan you talked

1145
00:50:55,610 --> 00:50:53,920
about earlier you know someone like him

1146
00:50:59,220 --> 00:50:55,620
I think deserves a lot of people

1147
00:51:01,410 --> 00:50:59,230
listening to him and you know paying

1148
00:51:03,540 --> 00:51:01,420
attention to him but these people that

1149
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:03,550
come up like you just mentioned a demske

1150
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:05,530
you know I mean people like that they

1151
00:51:09,810 --> 00:51:07,570
had all the it's kind of like a cult you

1152
00:51:12,930 --> 00:51:09,820
know there's only other way I can think

1153
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:12,940
of it and you know we pick on dr. Steven

1154
00:51:17,430 --> 00:51:14,650
Greer you know and a lot of people give

1155
00:51:20,250 --> 00:51:17,440
me a hate mail after I do that but you

1156
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:20,260
know he's a very intelligent man he's

1157
00:51:26,010 --> 00:51:21,130
well-spoken

1158
00:51:28,730 --> 00:51:26,020
but he can go down those paths that you

1159
00:51:30,700 --> 00:51:28,740
know are just outrageous you know

1160
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:30,710
ambassador of the universe

1161
00:51:36,190 --> 00:51:34,010
and bringing in you know summoning in

1162
00:51:39,130 --> 00:51:36,200
crafts and all that it's pretty

1163
00:51:40,990 --> 00:51:39,140
outrageous well I don't want to drag

1164
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:41,000
myself into this example I'm about to

1165
00:51:50,620 --> 00:51:47,210
bring up but the the things that a lot

1166
00:51:52,270 --> 00:51:50,630
of times the charlatans are the ones

1167
00:51:54,430 --> 00:51:52,280
that are demonstrating the personality

1168
00:51:58,030 --> 00:51:54,440
and charisma and everything so you know

1169
00:52:00,430 --> 00:51:58,040
and dr. Hynek had a had a beard and in a

1170
00:52:02,830 --> 00:52:00,440
pie but he wasn't really a fireball in

1171
00:52:06,550 --> 00:52:02,840
the personality department so so maybe

1172
00:52:07,150 --> 00:52:06,560
just in your view little yarn stick look

1173
00:52:09,250 --> 00:52:07,160
at them

1174
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:09,260
you know the dull guys are probably

1175
00:52:15,550 --> 00:52:13,130
doing the real research that's right you

1176
00:52:16,150 --> 00:52:15,560
know that sad to say but you're probably

1177
00:52:20,020 --> 00:52:16,160
right

1178
00:52:21,700 --> 00:52:20,030
thing with you know true scientists a

1179
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:21,710
lot of true scientists aren't some of

1180
00:52:25,720 --> 00:52:23,570
you you know I mean that are really

1181
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:25,730
intense and they're so involved in what

1182
00:52:31,180 --> 00:52:27,890
they're doing they don't you know really

1183
00:52:33,460 --> 00:52:31,190
focus too much on the social parts we

1184
00:52:36,340 --> 00:52:33,470
have about four minutes left to this

1185
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:36,350
show and I'm just looking to see if we

1186
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:40,010
have any someone was asking a little bit

1187
00:52:45,250 --> 00:52:43,370
earlier on Lee was asking him was there

1188
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:45,260
a point where you were skeptical about

1189
00:52:52,090 --> 00:52:48,290
the UFO field to begin with and what if

1190
00:52:56,380 --> 00:52:52,100
so what made you turn into you know

1191
00:52:59,640 --> 00:52:56,390
taking it more seriously mm-hmm well I'm

1192
00:53:02,800 --> 00:52:59,650
still skeptical I want I won't prove and

1193
00:53:05,230 --> 00:53:02,810
there are a lot of things that I I guess

1194
00:53:09,580 --> 00:53:05,240
I just kind of have to to keep an open

1195
00:53:13,860 --> 00:53:09,590
mind about but you know I believe in the

1196
00:53:17,830 --> 00:53:13,870
possibilities and I don't take

1197
00:53:21,010 --> 00:53:17,840
everyone's word for anything I try to

1198
00:53:22,870 --> 00:53:21,020
have to I just hate to say that I really

1199
00:53:24,550 --> 00:53:22,880
rely on the way things sound and feel

1200
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:24,560
but a lot of times it is a gut reaction

1201
00:53:30,340 --> 00:53:27,890
and yeah but but I like the things that

1202
00:53:33,340 --> 00:53:30,350
can actually be investigated I don't

1203
00:53:35,710 --> 00:53:33,350
like just I prefer not to deal with

1204
00:53:37,750 --> 00:53:35,720
stories where where someone's going and

1205
00:53:41,110 --> 00:53:37,760
they've seen something I mean it's

1206
00:53:42,910 --> 00:53:41,120
almost some of you have yeah I get

1207
00:53:43,830 --> 00:53:42,920
excited about this the ones that are the

1208
00:53:47,110 --> 00:53:43,840
most first try

1209
00:53:51,150 --> 00:53:47,120
they could almost be spiritual visions

1210
00:53:53,770 --> 00:53:51,160
because there's nothing to investigate

1211
00:53:56,380 --> 00:53:53,780
exactly exactly

1212
00:53:58,090 --> 00:53:56,390
let's see Peggy wanted to know are there

1213
00:53:59,980 --> 00:53:58,100
any current cases that you know we only

1214
00:54:01,720 --> 00:53:59,990
have a couple minutes left but are there

1215
00:54:07,900 --> 00:54:01,730
any current cases that are ongoing right

1216
00:54:12,010 --> 00:54:07,910
now that interest you you could say no

1217
00:54:14,970 --> 00:54:12,020
no well okay let's those I'm interested

1218
00:54:17,950 --> 00:54:14,980
but not following closely I and the the

1219
00:54:19,330 --> 00:54:17,960
black trying triangles continue to

1220
00:54:21,310 --> 00:54:19,340
fascinate me but I haven't found

1221
00:54:25,450 --> 00:54:21,320
anything and I could sink my teeth into

1222
00:54:27,490 --> 00:54:25,460
there right right yes that that is one

1223
00:54:29,500 --> 00:54:27,500
that fascinates me too and there's I

1224
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:29,510
forget that gentleman's name that has

1225
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:31,490
written a book on the black triangles

1226
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:34,850
that one is interesting in you know

1227
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:36,890
getting me fascinated because you hear

1228
00:54:45,060 --> 00:54:40,130
so many similar cases and I would love

1229
00:54:49,710 --> 00:54:48,520
so Curt where can someone find you on

1230
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:49,720
the Internet

1231
00:54:57,730 --> 00:54:53,210
I've got I've got a site called Blue

1232
00:54:59,170 --> 00:54:57,740
Boar Alliance calm and I've got now

1233
00:55:01,540 --> 00:54:59,180
that's going to be 90 percent

1234
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:01,550
information on the cash Landrum case but

1235
00:55:07,270 --> 00:55:03,890
the thing that I feel that's important

1236
00:55:09,340 --> 00:55:07,280
about this is it there I'm looking into

1237
00:55:11,590 --> 00:55:09,350
not just the case itself but the way

1238
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:11,600
that was investigated and I think that

1239
00:55:16,210 --> 00:55:13,490
there's also the issue of military

1240
00:55:18,820 --> 00:55:16,220
secrecy so whatever's going on here I

1241
00:55:21,190 --> 00:55:18,830
think this is why I focused on it is it

1242
00:55:24,250 --> 00:55:21,200
it applies to a lot of other UFO cases

1243
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:24,260
so I think that you know getting getting

1244
00:55:27,610 --> 00:55:25,850
to the bottom of this or at least

1245
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:27,620
understanding a little better you know

1246
00:55:32,230 --> 00:55:29,530
it can be applied to many other things

1247
00:55:34,690 --> 00:55:32,240
uh-huh you know Peggy just said there

1248
00:55:38,710 --> 00:55:34,700
were a couple of about 20 reports of

1249
00:55:42,460 --> 00:55:38,720
boomerang and triangle sites just today

1250
00:55:46,090 --> 00:55:42,470
on MUFON so yeah they seem to be the

1251
00:55:50,380 --> 00:55:46,100
goin vehicle of the the choice craft of

1252
00:55:54,510 --> 00:55:50,390
whatever's visiting us you know it's so

1253
00:55:57,060 --> 00:55:54,520
interesting I just wonder if and the if

1254
00:55:59,460 --> 00:55:57,070
if it's a trend

1255
00:56:01,650 --> 00:55:59,470
you know if it's almost like if you hear

1256
00:56:03,510 --> 00:56:01,660
a new word learn it all of a sudden you

1257
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:03,520
hear it everywhere is it it's all remain

1258
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:06,610
kind of conditioned to to notice that is

1259
00:56:10,350 --> 00:56:08,770
it when we were looking when we're just

1260
00:56:13,290 --> 00:56:10,360
looking for the wrong thing we're only

1261
00:56:15,690 --> 00:56:13,300
looking for saucers or our cylinders but

1262
00:56:17,370 --> 00:56:15,700
there aren't there people going back and

1263
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:17,380
looked and have found some older

1264
00:56:21,720 --> 00:56:19,330
triangle signings but you know it

1265
00:56:24,240 --> 00:56:21,730
definitely you know is much more

1266
00:56:26,100 --> 00:56:24,250
prevalent today than it was long ago

1267
00:56:29,010 --> 00:56:26,110
all right well Peggy was yelling at me

1268
00:56:31,820 --> 00:56:29,020
that it was not the last 20 was the last

1269
00:56:35,820 --> 00:56:31,830
20 reports well that's it for tonight

1270
00:56:37,860 --> 00:56:35,830
Thank You Kurt and that's it for our

1271
00:56:40,380 --> 00:56:37,870
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1272
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1276
00:56:51,990 --> 00:56:50,230
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1277
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1279
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1280
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1284
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